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It has come to staff attention that there has been some confusion around rights, rules, and the "one month" timer.
Aywas staff consider user made rules to be absolute (unless they break the ToS or staff deems them unenforceable) - they remain active and intact even if a user is banned, has left the site, or has fallen inactive due to other reasons.
This also means that if your pet has a "right of first refusal" (must be offered to a certain person before it can be publicly put for sale) you cannot sell that pet until the user has said they do not want it. Even if the user has been inactive for weeks, months, or years.
We understand this may be a bother or create complications for some people, however the only way to ensure that all user rules are held to be valid and absolute is to hold all such rules to be valid and absolute.
In rare cases where a one month waiting period before selling anyway has been granted, this is where the user is active on site but not responding to a PM about the sale. (Please be advised that notification must be given by PM as not all users have pings enabled.) This is rarely given unless all avenues of contacting the active user has been exhausted.
We hope this clears up some confusion, and we will be instituting a KB article explaining this and other such unwritten rules that users follow.
Posted by Eve
(#2775) on Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:42pm
- Inu
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:07pm
Oiseau (#1570) so write something on the lines of "if I don't respond in x amount of time do x" and like Opalite said, it takes moments to log on, check a message and give a single yes or no, depression or not. Not everyone has depression so that reasoning isn't withstanding, either.
What about the people that have quit for 1+ year before the newspost? they can't go about and change the rules in accordance to this, unless someone that is still active contacts them, and even then they may just not care enough to log in and do so, anyway. But there is no proof that they don't care - just the 3rd party's word for it.
- Inu
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:10pm
Angela (#2741) this rule, if I'm correct, applies mostly to breeding. Many people have a clause in their rules that tells the breeder hopeful to offer them the pet to buy before they sell it. Sometime it also goes to selling "offer to me if you don't want it anymore." but the biggest culprit is breeding.
- Angela
(#2741)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:15pm
I have never bred anything on here because I'm not an artist and I don't really understand anything about breeding on here. But don't you have to pay to breed with someone's pet? Isn't that basically buying the offspring? Or in the case of the other player selling the offspring?
- Quit
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:20pm
Angela (#2741) - Its more similar to purchasing a pet from a reputable breeder or adopting one from a shelter. Most of them require you to either bring the pet back to them or to contact them before rehoming the pet. Sometimes you spend hundreds to thousands on these animals, but you signed paperwork agreeing to these terms to the shelter/seller.
Most players on the site want to keep track of their pets' offspring since they allowed others to breed with them. Especially if there was limited amount of breeding slots available and they just want to make sure that the new owners are aware of any rules.
- REUBEN & sortajester
(#585)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:25pm
This is really shortsighted and frankly just sort stupid. If someone has been inactive for literal YEARS or banned - how will the user ever get in contact with them? A grace period of six months or a year of inactivity before a "right of first refusal" rule is void makes perfect sense.
This is especially egregious considering how many users have up and left the site. I have no stakes in Aywas these days, I'm only here for the commission panel things, and mind-boggling administration decisions like this remind me why.
- Angela
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:33pm
Creek (#10084) So in your example if the shelter closed down or the breeder passed away then you could never sell or give away the pet. Because that's what would happen if the player just stopped playing.
- Quit
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:39pm
Angela (#2741) - There are of course clauses normally stated within the contracts where it says what happens if the shelter closes down or about the breeder. Laws are different from site rules a tad, but its a closer example than your car example. As long as the shelther/breeder is around, you must try to contact them. And if not, then they can take you to court for failing to adhere to the contract you signed.
I think the site is just giving a clear cut of what the definition of this should be, and that if youre going to be offering this type of clause, to state exactly what you want. Whether it be forever, or after an x amount of time. You aren't forced to deal with sellers/breeders whom have this clause on the site, (while a lot do have them, and they have the rights to have them), so it wont affect you much if you don't deal with them.
- Angela
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:45pm
Makes sense if the rules are clearly stated. But I still think there should be a set time where after trying to contact a breeder/seller then the rule is void. After all these aren't real animals. They are digital pets.
- Quit
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:46pm
I do agree that after awhile it should be okay, but while theyre just digital pets, someone paid to get that pet on site, and they do belong to the other player as intellectual property in some aspects. So, there is that gray area .3.
Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:06pm
I don't do any buying, selling, or breeding so this is a bit confusing to me. So basically a player sells a pet, not gifts, and another player pays their hard earned cash or game currency for that pet and the first owner can tell the new owner what they can or can't do with the pet they bought?
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me but if I'm right this is just crazy. You want to maintain control of a pet? Then don't sell! If I buy something then I should have the right to sell it. After reading this I will never buy a pet because I might be stuck with it for eternity. It's like selling a car but telling the new owners they can never get it repainted without permission. I just don't get it.