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It has come to staff attention that there has been some confusion around rights, rules, and the "one month" timer.
Aywas staff consider user made rules to be absolute (unless they break the ToS or staff deems them unenforceable) - they remain active and intact even if a user is banned, has left the site, or has fallen inactive due to other reasons.
This also means that if your pet has a "right of first refusal" (must be offered to a certain person before it can be publicly put for sale) you cannot sell that pet until the user has said they do not want it. Even if the user has been inactive for weeks, months, or years.
We understand this may be a bother or create complications for some people, however the only way to ensure that all user rules are held to be valid and absolute is to hold all such rules to be valid and absolute.
In rare cases where a one month waiting period before selling anyway has been granted, this is where the user is active on site but not responding to a PM about the sale. (Please be advised that notification must be given by PM as not all users have pings enabled.) This is rarely given unless all avenues of contacting the active user has been exhausted.
We hope this clears up some confusion, and we will be instituting a KB article explaining this and other such unwritten rules that users follow.
Posted by Eve
(#2775) on Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:42pm
- K-HAO-S
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Posted on: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:13pm
There are also instances of users changing breeding rules to add things which the person who originally bred did not agree to. In the case where there's no "i reserve the right to add rules" clause how can you even PROVE that you bred before the rules where changed? Or are you just SOL and have to stick to rules you did not agree to. This is a whooooole can of worms honestly. The whole user rules issue is.
- Gone x2
(#550)
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Posted on: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:16pm
Pirate & Kazna (#233)
Via previous experiences, if the pet has already been bought, the transaction is forcibly reversed and sorted from that point. The buyer loses the pet, the seller loses GP, and a talk is had between the person who set the rules and the person who broke them.
- Eve
(#2775)
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Posted on: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:31pm
ChaosAzeroth[WTFWhy] (#43055) - If I'm understanding correctly, you had a raffle and the sole winner went idle/on hiatus? In that case sadly you would need to keep the pet in case they come back. Special dispensation with raffles is only given where the delaying of giving an idle user's prize stops the distribution of further prizes.
Pirate & Kazna (#233) - If a pet was sold without your permission then you have the right to go to staff. If you feel that it's inappropriate or uncomfortable and you don't wish to, then that is your right to consider it lost,. However if you were wanting to uphold the rule then we would work with you to rectify the situation, as we have done with many people in the past.
Khaos (#11644) - If you feel this might happen, then the best thing to do is to confirm and agree to rights via PM. A user cannot edit a PM, and while they can delete a PM it remains in the system, and as such could be retrieved if necessary in a user dispute.
- Stein (semi-active)
(#103)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:35am
I guess my stance on this is that it is a pretty strict rule, and I agree that some leeway would be nice. I mean, if I were in the situation where another player bought/bred my customs, then sold it to another player after they made the attempt to contact me, it's just a change of who I am talking to about the pet. The other rules like no overbreeding, no inbreeding, etc. would be enforced, so I'd have no issue with it.
It kinda makes me wonder if I have any pets in my lair with that rule. :/
- ☆Jasper☆
(#31514)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:38am
Why not make it so that after a certain amount of time [example, minimum of 3 years, 5 at max], the owner forfeits the rights to the breeding rules? If I recall correctly, the created pets still technically belong to Aywas, so that could be an option? That way it gives the creators a few years of a buffer to return, but after so long, they forfeit the rules and people who are stuck with a pet they no longer want are able to sell/auction/ect the pet?
- Gale Falcon 🎐
(#74974)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:49am
Woah, I feel too hesistant now to buy customs/species for possible future breedings from other users (I'm a worrwart person and better be safe than blamed for something later on, especially when rules can be changed at any moment). I already have 1 custom that I have no idea where it came from and if it has any rules and if it has, how and where to dig that stuff up (it had no info whatsoever in its profile). I guess I'll rather cling to creating my own customs and hug them, it's the safest way X'3
- Eve
(#2775)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:07am
Stein (#103) - That's perfectly fine to do if that makes you comfortable. We can only enforce "first rights" rules is the user contacts us to let us know the rule has been broken. If you don't have any strong attachment to the rule and you have it "just in case" then genuinely this won't change how you operate.
☆Jasper☆ (#31514) - If you absolutely don't want the pet then you can send it to the person who has first refusal, you can potion over it, you can release it... It is purely if the pet is leaving your lair to reside with another user permanently.
Gale Falcon (#74974) - This is why it's always important to get the rules handed over and agreed to via PM. That way you have un-editable proof of the rules, and you can contact a member of staff if they try to change those rules without your permission. It's always encouraged to take these steps to safeguard yourself, even when you're breeding or trading with someone you know or trust.
- Gale Falcon 🎐
(#74974)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:24am
Eve (#2775) thank you for reply and for good advise! :) I've got the pet in question via pet auctions (it's around 3-4 yrs old pet, it doesn't have creation item listed in profile and has been bred before). I mb will have to pester its previous owner in case it was a PSD use or smth like that, just to be sure (or just don't breed it again) X'3
- Eve
(#2775)
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Posted on: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:29am
Gale Falcon (#74974) - My pleasure! I know that it's a common practice with my friends and I that if we want to breed something we'll always do it through PMs even if we're talking at the same time on an instant messenger system XD It never hurts to have it down in concrete writing, even if it's someone I trust my life and lair to ^^ Same with getting pet histories - always worth looking into, and fingers crossed you get some good answers ^^
Posted on: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:13pm
Cool motive, still did it though *shrug*
Not to mention you can't/won't enforce the issue if we have one with selling offspring anyway - if it has already been purchased what can you do??? It's not fair on the user who bought it who got flogged with not only a pet that has rules they didn't agree to, but also you can't just take it back off of them.
Overall another asinine rule though tbh.