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We said we would be back for your input on some big changes, so here we are.
We've been making many short-term changes to breeding lately, namely in the withholding of Coins until the queues die down. However, there was one aspect that we didn't touch on at the time as we were still working to gather ideas on how we could compromise between fairness to the userbase (you guys!) and to everyone working behind the scenes on the breeding panel.
So now, let's discuss breeding pendants.
Unfortunately or not, depending on where your opinions lie, Breeding Pendants are going to have to change. However, we wanted to let everyone share their voice and opinions on the matter. We've come up with a few ideas that we think you'll like!
Pendants become predict-only, but the regeneration time is reduced. This means that Pendants will work as Half Breeding Coins, but will have a faster regeneration time than they currently do.
Pendants have their regeneration time doubled. For instance, Breeding Pendants currently have a 3-month cooldown. If this option wins, that time will be doubled to a 6-month cooldown, and so on as applicable for each Pendant.
Pendants take more time to regenerate but can be traded in for a predict-only version that retains the original regeneration rate. The new rate will be discussed among staff, but, as said, the Pendant could be traded for a version that works as a Half Breeding Coin with the current cooldown.
Pendants have a longer regeneration time but owners are compensated with a regenerating custom-making item. This will vary between Pendants, but if, for instance, a Pendant that could be used 4 times a year was changed to having a regeneration time that made it so it could only be used 2 times a year, then the custom-making item would have those 2 lost uses per year. As Eve put it when we were discussing it, " 4 uses reduced to 2, custom maker gives 2 uses a year"
The 2nd most voted-for option with the addition of turning in the Pendant for another item. This one is fairly straightforward -- if this choice wins, we'll take the option with the 2nd highest vote count and then, later down the line, release a second poll with options for the turn-in.
We understand that some of you are going to be upset, that you feel like your Pendant isn't worth what was paid for it, but we also need to maintain a balance on the site to ensure our breeding artists don't get burnt out almost before they begin. Staff hopes that these options, or at least one of them, will appeal to you!
Posted by Juke
(#7625) on Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01pm
- One Rat King
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:06am
Personally, not really a fan of the predict-only approach. If only because, while it would take weight off site artists, someone is going to have to go through the predict queues and approve them - so the workload on the staff simply shifts to another department, y'know? Unless with the current queues that seems realistic. Since I'm unfamiliar with the back-end of breeding, I couldn't say.
As a few others have suggested, perhaps combining a few different options: Trade-in if preferred, or live with longer wait times if not. It's still a "free" coin once in a while after it's paid itself off initially.
Also in agreement that predicts should have higher incentives, such as a guarantee of getting max offspring, and not requiring add-ons for certain coins to accept predicts. As it stands there's not much encouraging me (an extremely patient person) to do my own predicts just to get the eggs a bit faster. If that makes sense. But if I could be guaranteed max offspring, or some other benefit (heck, even something that will come down the pipeline later like better default stats or something) - I'd be much more inclined.
- Quit
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:08am
Rat Bones (#79964) - Going through and accepting predicts isn't as intensive as doing the babies. Its usually just checking for rules, % and good mixes of parents. The site already has people appointed to the coins predicts as it right now and they'd likely remain in heads of the predcits for pendants if/when they go predict only!
- One Rat King
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:12am
Lotus (#10084) - Thanks for clearing that up! That makes sense. I suppose if regens were slowed, or even if it was moved to predict-only, it may not build up too intensely.
- Quit
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:14am
Most definitely! Right now the queues cannot handle the influx of breedings from pendants. Even if its just a temp change til the queues are under control, something needs to happen because theyre literally choking breeding out. We will never see coins for sale again if pendants aren't changed.
- Elisabeth
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21pm
I had no idea how deeply breeding pendants affected things, not owning one. I had no idea which one to vote for, but can only hope for the best outcome for others.
- [ cerpin ]
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:04pm
i think it's important to think about the future and what predict-only will mean for the queue, and how it's a very good thing. this doesn't mean all breedings will be predict only - just pendant breedings. if pendant breedings can get under control, and the site can release normal coins, and the queue is shorter and quicker as a result, then that means normal breedings with the site artists doing them is still an option! it's a really really good thing, for everyone on the site.
and for people saying they can't afford to pay predict artists - that's what the site is dealing with right now. they can't afford to pay site artists usd or other incentives because the queue is so massive. if it's a problem for an individual user to pay for predicts, imagine that problem multiplied by several hundred on the site's end.
even if you paid a large sum of money for your pendant up-front, that money is long since gone from the site's hands. even if you haven't recouped that money with the amount of breedings you've done, the site is not making any money having these breedings done by the artists now.
i understand that it is frustrating. i have an lbp, bp, and pbp. the idea of wrangling predicts for those seems like a lot, but i'm invested in the site's long term health and i think going predict only would be a really good thing in the long run.
- Atmos
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:11pm
Juke
I was thinking something more with sign up sheet and from site, where rewards would be GP or item rewards (non-usd rewards). I assume the pool party is usd.
- Juke
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:12pm
Atmos (#67066)
Users can take either site currency, USD, or trades during PPP -- we also have a raffle at the end of the event where artists can win high-value prizes.
- Atmos
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Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:25pm
Juke
I see and neat. Thank you for the information on it. I figured was all USD.
Posted on: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:59am
I'd just like to put my two cents in and say that I prefer having the trade-in option because it gives pendant users the choice. If they can get art for predicts, they can go predict-only; if they can't, they just have to deal with longer wait times.
I also wonder if RBPs should be dealt with separately than other pendants, given that they're the rare coin that doesn't have a giant queue at the moment, even with a fair amount of RBPs floating around. (Admittedly, I'm biased here, given that RBPs are the only pendant I myself own...)