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Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:21pm

Sany (#67610)
I have never said anyone here is "uneducated", but it is a fact that nobody can know everything. I have to look up things I don't know just as much as everyone else, that's a fact. Which is the reason I keep talking, because I happen to have first hand experience with this exact issue and the best I can do is share it and hope people listen. That doesn't make me narrow-minded, that makes me focused.

And I understand the cultural differences, trust me. I am not from the US either, I'm from Europe. But different cultures don't change what I said multiple times now: I have to educate myself about a topic before talking about it. Whatever topic that is. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me (or insulting me, for that matter), but that also means I have the right to disagree with you too.

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:21pm

Wahh for some reason my posts keep coming up twice sorry :

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:23pm

Gwennafran (#22320)
Oh no, that was actually a typo, my bad. With "had IT screamed at me" I was referring to "White Pride" which I heard at many demonstrations, and it's similarity to "straight pride". Sorry about that!

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:25pm

Though I admit, I was also thinking we might possibly move this to a discussion forum if anyone wants to keep talking? lol ^^;

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:46pm

I'd be down for a discussion forum.

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:12pm

That would be great. Sorry you guys, but I haven't been able to do more than glance at the news posts because history with an awful human being.

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:48pm

Aria T'Loak (#58686)
"Being straight offends NO ONE, that is the point of all this.
Straight people are more than welcome to celebrate pride events with you. Tons of my straight friends come to Pride events with me every year, celebrate, eat cake, have a good time. But I will never support a "straight pride" item. Your straight pride item is the society we live in."
- As I stated in my previous comments.. I've never asked for a straight pride item...
"Also, if the only reason you support LGBTQ people is because you want to get a pat on the shoulder and a cookie for it, then I'm sorry, but we don't need supporters like that."
-Sorry, been a strong supporter for about 14 years.. I don't need that many cookies.
Chipi 'n' Envy (#2472)
I've also been on Aywas for about 5 years.
"And even if someone goes to you and says "curse you, hetero cis devil" (which is unlikely) that's not oppression nor shaming. Because you will go out and EVERYONE will give you a pat in the back for not being "you know... one of those"."
- If someone spits in my eye and then the next person gives me a hug, it doesn't mean I don't still have spit in my eye. Yes, overall Hetero's aren't oppressed on an everyday basis, that doesn't mean it's okay if they're only hated on some of the time..
" Unless you are actually getting offended by "this is not your event"."
-Nope, I've stated in previous comments that I haven't asked for an item or to be "included". I just asked for these type of comments to stop:

-That is why straight doesn't belong in pride.
-... gotta love straight+cis people complaining because ONE single event happens to NOT center around them like our entire human society usually does. Thanks a lot, really.
and this is why Pride events do not include straight+cis people.
-Enjoy it and let non-straight people have one single event just for us.
-But see, the fact that most of society assumes cis/het = default is the reason a Pride event is needed without cis/het people in it.
-Cis/het people are the OPPRESSORS. That is the fact, plain as day. The reason there is no "straight pride" in Pride events is simply:
An oppressed group deserves a celebration without the very group that oppresses us.
-Stand up when people get mistreated for being gay, or trans, or anything else that isn't cis/het.
As I've stated before. I was good with the event, I didn't ask for an item. I just don't want to be told "You don't belong here, go away". As a supporter, it's discouraging. I'm not sure how many of you remember this event last year when the suggestion/complaint was going around that straight people should be banned from taking part in the event. It's just very disheartening to have something that you feel strongly about and then be told that you shouldn't be involved and your support isn't wanted. Maybe I misread something somewhere (I am human and it happens) but all I've asked for since my first comment is that we don't attack or shun straight people. Maybe that's too much.. I don't know.

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:30pm

Rob (#6546)
Oppression comes from society, not from an individual or a small group. The end.

Sooo basically, all these comments are stating a truth. Maybe you need them explained:

- That is why straight doesn't belong in pride.
+They don't. They aren't oppressed. They don't need the pride event. That's it.

-... gotta love straight+cis people complaining because ONE single event happens to NOT center around them like our entire human society usually does. Thanks a lot, really.
+What's wrong with this? Cis+het people are the ones who complain when it's not about them. Sorry you're not the center of the world this one very particular time, but grow up and be happy for them, the real oppressed ones.

- And this is why Pride events do not include straight+cis people.
+Because they ruin it with their calls for attention instead of focusing on the real problem.

-Enjoy it and let non-straight people have one single event just for us.
+??? Again how is this wrong??? They want their own event. To feel recognised and loved. And to let the world know their identities matter. Sooo... Wrong. Wow.

-But see, the fact that most of society assumes cis/het = default is the reason a Pride event is needed without cis/het people in it.
+To break the default, so? Maybe they worded it a bit confusing to you but they meant again that pride events must be focused on the people with real identity/sexuality struggles. Not cis+het.

-Cis/het people are the OPPRESSORS. That is the fact, plain as day. The reason there is no "straight pride" in Pride events is simply:
An oppressed group deserves a celebration without the very group that oppresses us.
+I don't see trans or gay (using this as an umbrella term) people beating themselves on streets. I don't see them either doing that to cis+het people. Yes, they're the oppressors. Yes, if affected people don't feel confortable with them/us in their events they have the right to choose. If I make a party I invite whoever I want.

-Stand up when people get mistreated for being gay, or trans, or anything else that isn't cis/het.
+Because cis+het people don't get mistreated, I'm sorry, but what you are feeling right now its not oppression nor mistreatment. It's people talking the truth to your face.

The only thing I got in clear is that you're a narrow minded individual who doesn't really understand MOGAI/LGTB+ people issues. You only call yourself a supporter because "it's the right thing to do", but you don't even bother understanding them. You don't even bother understanding whats their position and yours (or cis+het people) in this event. It's easy to say, "hey let's all be friendly and cool and get along" but there are people who are so fed up with swallowing who they are, because of a society who never stops telling them that they're wrong, they cannot simply be all happy and nice because people have burnt out their patience. You can't ask them for so much. You might come from a bad day at work and feel grumpy. But many of their lives are like an endless bad day at work, so forgive them if they aren't so happy and enthusiastic about the kind of "equality" you offer.

You're only complaining because people are telling you where your place is. Learn to accept it as I did.

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:46pm

That's fine. All I asked for was to be welcome. I've always loved Aywas because of the community. It was always a friendly and supportive group. I guess that changes when you're born straight. Thanks anyway and I'll try to avoid this event from now on out of respect for those who were wronged by someone else.

Posted on: Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:09pm

And that is sad. Why is this turning into an us vs them thing? Everyone deserves to be treated with respect. Straight ,not straight, black,white,blue,and green. This is why I will not openly say my sexuality to anyone. I haven't been here very long but I don't ever remember this kind of rift in Aywas before. Maybe I am blind to it. This is a Pride event. There is a reason for that. In the United States they have Black history month and other things if I studied correctly. Its just like that. I do not agree though "straight" people do not know what its like to be tormented and oppressed. Granted quite a few don't but again we don't know what people have gone through. Oppression is Oppression regardless of what kind and it is horrible. This is the time where we all need to get along. It will make things more fun instead of all the tension going around.